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[TEST] Carnotaurus Mk.1 Mod.2 by pilsator [TEST] Carnotaurus Mk.1 Mod.2 by pilsator
This took a long time to draw, yet the shading and the general patterns are still incomplete, especially because of some - or many - likely perspective issues that I want you to point out to me so I can still fix them. I figured the enormous thickness of Carnotaurus's tail can't be convincingly depicted in lateral or dosal profile drawings, so this is what I came up with.

Tools of the trade: Scott Hartman's skeletal reconstruction of this beast, what little is said in the literature about the skin imprints, a good look at the Czerkas reconstruction, and a general sense of "this looks probably right".

Comments and criticisms welcome. I think the right ankle/metatarsus is the most obviously wrong thing, but I didn't quite know how to do it "right".

//Edit: Changed the leg proportions, kudos to Vlad, Yoult, and Elijah. Massive thanks for your advice, guys! To be honest, now the left foot looks extremely dorky. More changes to come.

//Edit: Changed the right leg again, thanks to Vlad. And improved the shading. Let's see how it holds up now.

//Edit: Be sure to check out Pachyornis's awesome colored version of this drawing!
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:iconpalaeorigamipete:
palaeorigamipete Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I love the padded feet! definitely makes it look fleshy, it adds greatly to the overall realism of this illustration! I must say I value your reconstructions greatly, you combine accuracy and art in a beautiful way, thank you for sharing your work here! :)
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pilsator Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Heh, thanks! Glad you like it. Although, especially re:the padded feet and more or less anything concerning its right leg, Vlad, Yoult and Elijah are the ones who deserve the kudos instead of me.
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palaeorigamipete Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
they get plenty of my love and appretiation too, don't worry :)
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Nettleheart Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
That tiny head will always make me laugh.
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pilsator Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Good thing we're laughing at it from a safe geological distance.
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ChrisMasna Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2014
choo chooo

it looks so massive in this view!

nice work as usual :)
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:iconpilsator:
pilsator Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks, Chris - glad you like it :)
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Kazuma27 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
FATASS! (Not that i'd really say it in front of one of these guys) :D

Abelisaurs are tricky to draw, not as difficult as dromies but not as easy as tyrants either...
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yoult Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Professional General Artist
I would say it! First it could not understand my silly mammal tongue and second it would be already too late. :D
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Kazuma27 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
:D
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pilsator Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
FWIW, I found it a lot harder to draw than a dromaeosaurid.
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Kazuma27 Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
;)
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Pachyornis Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014  Hobbyist
BTW, ich hab mir kurz die Freiheit genommen, denen Carnotaurus ein bisschen zu "gimpen", um zu sehen wie der mit Farbe usw aussehen würde: imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/972x… Ich war natürlich nicht so vermessen, es auf meinen dA-account hochzuladen, daher nur imageshack ;) Hoffe es gefällt dir. Zeichnest zu eigentlich all das auf A4? Beeindruckendes Schuppendetailreichtum. Welche Bleistiftstärken verwendest du?
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pilsator Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Danke ersma für die Blumen. Lad ruhig auf dA hoch, denn es is schließlich ne Kollaboration, und sieht extrem gut aus.

Und ja, ich zeichne es auf A4. Bleistiftstärken? Keine Ahnung, ich nehm einfach einen der möglichst nah neben dem Blatt rumliegt :D
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Pachyornis Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014  Hobbyist
Ok, thx für die Erlaubnis es hier hochzuladen^^ 

Genial, so präzise auf A4 zu sein könnt ich nie. Ich zeichne seit 3 Jahren eigentlich nur mehr auf A3 und scanne auf mehrere Male ein, und verwende nur Tuscheblätter (Kopierpapier ist mir zu dünn). 
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pilsator Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Das ist eigtl der Not geschuldet, dass was größeres nicht in meinen Scanner passt. Genau wie die Tatsache dass ich mich nich zu digitaler Paleoart aufraffen kann oder drauf achte was das fürn Bleistift ist, mit dem ich grad zeichne. Schreibmaschinenpapier geht gut, wenn ich noch nen Blatt drunterleg. Und um dabei Eindellungen oder so vom Handrücken auf dem Blatt zu vermeiden, sind diese fingerlosen Wollhandschuhe ausm 1-Euro-Laden (vulgo Pennerhandschuhe) zu empfehlen.
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Pachyornis Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014  Hobbyist
Wahnsinn, klasse Arbeit Mann! ;) 
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Yutyrannus Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014
Very cool!
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Dontknowwhattodraw94 Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Beautiful pattern on his body, the ring in its neck reminds me of those ringneck snakes.
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pilsator Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks! I've been actually thinking Crotaphytus when I drew it, but yes, squamates are a good clade for seeking inspiration here.
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Dontknowwhattodraw94 Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You're welcome :)
Indeed, they have beautiful patterns.
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babbletrish Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
D'awww...
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pilsator Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Now that would probably not be my first reaction when looking at a Carnotaurus ;)
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Gojira5000 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not sure if this holds anymore; but weren't Carnotaurus' arms pretty much fingerless externally? 
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pilsator Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
They still contain atrophied fingers and a weird metacarpal "spike". Initially, I wanted to bury them in the torso so they wouldn't be visible at all, but then I thought that since I'm drawing something reasonably challenging, I might just as well leave them exposed.
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Orionide5 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014
What I sometimes do before attempting a dinosaur drawing is make a rough 3D model in Sculptris, with every part of the body as a separate piece so I can pose the model and use it as a guide. It's much easier.
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pilsator Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ha! Probably the greatest advice out there, but I first had to learn my way into that program.
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EWilloughby Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Professional General Artist
I think the anatomy is looking great, though I don't doubt that you can improve that left foot a little. I love the pose and the perspective! If you're interested in continuing to work on this, I have one suggestion: choose a light source and create more dynamic, stronger shadows on the body of the animal. I think it would add a lot to the realism of the work, especially since the pose is not a standard side-view. For example, having the turned head casting a triangular shadow onto its neck, if the light source is coming somewhat from the front, would add so much depth and realism to an already beautiful work.
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pilsator Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Now that, Emily ... I fear you're right :P It's definitely something I should work my way into

And thank you - always great to hear that!
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Durbed Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014
Kudos on that perspective! this is going to look amazing when you finish it. This is probably your most naturalistic drawing so far.

Yoult beat me to every point that had to be made. I'm just going to add (and I'm not very sure about it, to take with a grain of salt) that the "arms" were meant to stick outwards a bit so the perspective there might be different -and now that I think of it, quite tricky. I also believe you can fix it with just  a clever use of shading.
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pilsator Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hey, thanks a bunch, man! Let's see if the legs are better now, arms will follow :)
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Durbed Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014
Much better. I'd just make the right leg's toes overlap a bit, like in T-PEKC redlines.
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Hyrotrioskjan Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Professional General Artist
I would agree with yoult on the feet but the rest is just awesome, I love to see it with lips and fat tail :clap:
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pilsator Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks a lot!
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Hyrotrioskjan Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Professional General Artist
Ah, sieht schon besser aus jetzt :lol:
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yoult Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Professional General Artist
Aber um jetzt auch mal was zum Bild selber zu sagen: Sehr beeindruckend, was du da raushaust! Ich hab schon sooft versucht, Carnotaurus zu zeichnen, aber an dem scheiter ich jedes Mal...!
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pilsator Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hab ich mir auch immer gesagt, deshalb hab ich das hier auch schamlos als Hilferuf hochgeladen. Noch mal extrem fettes Danke für deine sehr anschauliche Hilfe :)
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DinoBirdMan Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Student Artist
They're will be no "feathers" for Carnotaurus and other Ceratosaurians, but horns above the eyes are quit too small and while a tail are both too stiff and too smaller than I thought.
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pilsator Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Agreed with Yoult, I don't see what's wrong with its horns.
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DinoBirdMan Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Student Artist
Okay.
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yoult Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Professional General Artist
1. True there is no evidence for feathers in Carnotaurus and closely related taxa, but neither did Pils draw them, nor is the speculation about it unjustified.
2. The horns look alright according to the specimen we know. There are speculations that this animal could grow larger horns, but that lacks evidence as well. A bigger keratin covering is possible, but as well just speculation.
3. The tail was like in other Theropoda relatively stiff, but the shortening only comes from the perspective he used.
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DinoBirdMan Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Student Artist
Okay, that's true.^^
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:iconyoult:
yoult Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Professional General Artist
Had no time to read the other comments, but drew you some [Redlines].
Proportions seem all correct according to Hartman's skeletal. Perspective of the feet was a bit off. The Hallux on the left foot is likely not visible in that perspective.
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pilsator Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
AWE. SOME. Thanks a ton.
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Dinogod Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Nice work!

The legs proportion are fine. You draw a 1.58 proportion ratio (femur/tibia) and the estimations of from Carnotaurus range from 1.58 to 1.5. Carnotaurus is an abelisaurid and abelisaurs DIDN'T HAD the proportions of an Ostrich.
And no complete legs are known for this species, because the single specimen founded (MAC-CH 894) only has a femur and proximal parts of the tibia and fibula.

I just dont know if dinolips are actually correct.

GREETINGS :D
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pilsator Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you! No one absolutely knows if dinolips are actually correct, but Ashley Mohrhardt made a good case for them being present, so there goes.
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Dinogod Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ok. Nice work. :D

Just one question: Who is Ashley Mohrhardt?
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pilsator Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
She wrote her Master's thesis about neurovascular foramina in archosaurs, touching the "lips" issue, and is AFAIK in the process of publishing much of this work.
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Dinogod Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I will keep my eyes open for her work in scientific journals. This is a very interesting issue. Thanks for the info :D
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ShinRedDear Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014
I really like this one ! One of the few times you did a dinosaur in perspective. I think T-Peck did very good observations. I would add that some more high-contrast shading might help giving some volume and also diversity. To conclude, I just want to point out this is one of the most calm-looking Carnotaurus I've seen.
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