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Turning the Tables, WIP v1.2 by pilsator Turning the Tables, WIP v1.2 by pilsator
Upping the threat to a ~700 kg teenage Tarbosaurus, mother Gallimimus gets support from an exceptionally large male (here you got your 8 m specimen, made by using the same skeletal at the same size just because of the distance ... er ... because of my lazyness :D) dashing in from the background. Minor sexual dimorphism is visible in the feathered "sac" hanging down from the male's lower neck, and its longer tail display protofeathers.

More to add - background, juveniles, water/mud effects, and the like.

Not the best drawing, but it has been a nice chance to improve my very rudimentary skills of drawing something else than one lateral-view animal with nothing else on the sheet.

To be continued (especially re: scanner quality, with the way too sculpted drumstick muscles and very dark eye without any discernible iris and eyelid on the foreground galli). I will eventually, of course, correct the shading and outlining errors. Consider the upcoming verions of this love letter to ornithomimid ass-kicking awesomeness some kind of liveblogging my progress in such a drawing :)


//Edit: Some minor improvements. The shoulder protofeathers of the foreground Galli were "flushed" to the torso and scapular girdle, and the Tarb's snout and postorbital area more "juvenilized". Thanks go out to theFingers and Tomozaurus, respectively. Thanks, guys! Still some things to sort out, and more to add.

Refs are from the same people as in the first version, minus Ville's baby Tarbosaurus reconstruction. The subadult Tarbosaurus is based on GSP's reconstruction of ZPAL MgD-I/3.

Keep comments and criticism coming!
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TheDubstepAddict Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wenn du klein bist und zum Fußball willst
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tidalwave21 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2016
So gallimimus were this big compared to tarbosaurus? Guess my knowledge on Mongolian dinosaurs is kinda rusty...
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pilsator Featured By Owner Edited Jul 1, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It's not a fully grown one (the tarbosaur), but Gallimimus really is much larger than one might think.
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tidalwave21 Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2016
How large can they get?
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pilsator Featured By Owner Edited Jul 5, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I get 3.67 m sans tail for the holotype; Paul (1988) estimated its total length at 6 m. This figure has frequently been cited, and I think it's a very reasonable and fairly safe estimate of how big an adult Gallimimus was.

Makovicky et al. (2010) briefly say that Gallimimus could grow 8 m long without citing anything for this total length, so that might well be possible - in fact, the large one in the background is supposed to approach this size. A total length of 8 m is right up in tyrant territory, and compares very well with the more complete Tarbosaurus individuals such as ZPAL MgD-I/4, although it must have been a substantially more lightweight animal. The problem here is that, despite what one might expect, there really is no complete Tarbosaurus approaching Tyrannosaurus in size - the type skull does, but there's no good postcranial skeleton going with it.

The Tarbosaurus depicted above is a "teenager" in the size range of the well-known Gorgosaurus teenagers (AMNH 5664, TMP 91.36.500), and closely approaches the Gallimimus in the foreground in length.

Refs -

Makovicky, P. J.; Li, D.; Gao, K.-Q.; Lewin, M.; Erickson, G. M.; Norell, M. A. (2010). A giant ornithomimosaur from the Early Cretaceous of China. Proceedings of the Royal Society B 277(1679): 191-198.


Paul, G. S. (1988). Predatory Dinosaurs of the World: A Complete Illustrated Guide. Simon & Schuster, New York. 464 pp.
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Paleocolour Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2016   Digital Artist
Hi again, pilsator.

I've been eyeing this particular piece for a while now. I was hesitant at first to approach you for colouring it like the previous pieces of yours I coloured, but I feel that I could now do it some justice, with a nice painted background, too.

So, as usual, may I ask for your permission to colour this piece? And, if so, what colours do you see these animals being and the terrain they may be standing in?

Thank you for your time, and I hope you have a good evening.
-Paleocolour
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pilsator Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hi. Yeah, if you want to do that, sure - go ahead! I didn't have any particular colors in mind - one of the good things in those black and white drawings -, so give it your shot. Will be interesting for sure to see another colored version done by you.

All the best,
pils
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JD-man Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012
There are 2 things I really like about this deviation: It's different from what I'm used to in that the ornithomimids are on the offensive; It reminds me of how ostriches fight ( [link] ).
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pilsator Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks!
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JD-man Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012
You're welcome.

BTW, is the coloration based on that of any particular living bird species? I feel like I've seen it b-4.
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pilsator Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Not that I know of, but maybe it is, and I did it subconciously? :D
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JD-man Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013
Now I remember where I've seen that color scheme b-4 (minus the collar): [link]
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vasix Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Audience demands ADULT Tarbosaurus vs. Deinocheirus!!
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acepredator Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2014
Mismatch with the tyrannosaur's head being forcibly punched through and ripped off, and the body disemboweled.
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pilsator Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Didn't draw it because the tarb has to be on the receiving end in this pic. But why don't you draw that? ;)
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vasix Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I want to do a Tarbosaurus, yes, but on the other hand, I really want to do it, y'know, being threatening without any ornithomimid annoyances, like that....
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yoult Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Professional General Artist
Wirklich cool, ich liebe solche "turning the tables"-Sachen, das bringt das tierische und natürliche in den Dinosauriern viel stärker nach außen.
Stell dir mal vor, was Deinocheirus für Schaden hätte anrichten können, wenn seine Proportionen denen von Gallimimus entsprächen... :D
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pilsator Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ich würd's mir nich nur vorstellen sondern es auch zeichnen, wenn mensch mehr von Deinocheirus als die beiden Arme hätte ;) Nen wütendes Beutetier von gleicher Masse wie der, der es angreift, wird vermutlich in ner Extremsituation meist ne Chance haben, den Angreifer aus dem Leben zu ficken. Kommt natürlich in dem Fall drauf an, wie der Rest von Deino aussah :/
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yoult Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Professional General Artist
Ich bezweifle ja, dass der alte Schreckensarm ähnliche Proportionen hatte wie man es von den üblichen Straußenmimen kennt. Eine von mir erstellte Hochrechnung hat ein Tier ergeben, das alle Theropoden wie Zwerge wirken lässt, selbst die sehr hoch gewachsenen Therizinosaurus und Gigantoraptor.
Ich bin mir nichtmal sicher, ob er wirklich ein Ornithomime war und wenn doch wohl eher ein skurriler riesenhaft gewachsener Basaler, der die Zeiten überdauert hat und dabei aber um einiges stämmiger wurde als seine Verwandten.
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pilsator Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Für seine Basal-ness sprechen ja die Hände. Könnt ihn mir auch als dicklichen Baumkronenabfresser à la Therizinosauriden vorstellen, meinte IIRC auch schon mal Luis Rey. Blöderweise ham wir halt keinen Anhaltspunkt in _irgendeine_ Richtung -.-
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PrimevalRaptor Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Irgendwie hab ich jetzt Lust einen Deinocheirus zu rekonstruieren, der grad einem Tarbosaurus einen heftigen Tritt verpasst...
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pilsator Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ich mach mit - sobald in wer weiß wie vielen Jahren das neue Deinocheirus-Material beschrieben ist :/
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PrimevalRaptor Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Okay, dürfte ich davon dann die farbige Version machen? ^^
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Brilliant! Can't wait to see it completed. :D
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pilsator Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks a lot, Niroot! Let's hope for the next LITC request, and if it's the next time awesome awesomeness again like the awesomeness-radiating brachiosaurid, it's all yours anyway :D

Just went over to your blog, thanks a freaking bunch for linking me!
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Aw, no, I don't mean that about being 'beaten' to things, I'm just joking! :D It's wonderful when we all ply our efforts to things like this. It only serves to enrich the palaeo-artistic community. :D Although my absurdities can hardly be said to contribute to much. :XD:

It was my pleasure! I'll link to your second version too in my next post. ;)
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Kazanlak10 Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011
That's awesome. Can't wait to see the finished version with background etc..
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pilsator Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks man :)
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tuomaskoivurinne Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011   Traditional Artist
I see you have a Tarbosaurus-kicking series going on here. Interesting drawing and idea. It's often forgotten how big Gallimimuses really were. And although it's quite ballsy move to take on a tyrannosaurid, this scene could have been real nevertheless... :thumbsup:
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pilsator Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks you!

Ballsy, yeah. I think a Struthiomimus or something like that would be hopelessly fucked if ran down by a tyrant the size as the one above. However, several 500 kg super ostrich-mimic would have reached a "critical mass" to turn the tables, I "reasoned"; nonetheless, keeping those long, thin necks far from any tyrannosaurid skull would have been necessary :D
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tuomaskoivurinne Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011   Traditional Artist
Indeed, ornithomimids (big or small) tend to have a rather slim and "fragile" looking structure. One bite could quite easily rip off a leg or a neck...
Of course, there's a possibility that Gallimimuses were just plain mad, raging dinosaurs, similar to cassowaries. :D
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Durbed Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011
Wow! this looks a lot like a drawing I´m working on right now (based on your previous Gallimimus illustration and a request from "Love in the Time of Chasmosaurus" blog).

Great work, I love the dynamism of the scene. The shoulder area could be "fixed" (I dont think it looks that bad) just by changing a bit the shading in the upper zone, or making the overall plumage a bit thicker so the sphere of feathers would blend with the rest. The Galli on the left look neat (you usually see ostriches adopting strangest angles with their necks, although I don´t know how much their structures actually ressemble each other)
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pilsator Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Alright, LITC meme factory I said :P

Thanks a lot for your kind words. I'd love to see your ornithomimosaur scene!
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triggamafia Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This really reminds me of the atmosphere that GSP puts into his drawings. Nice work!
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pilsator Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks, I guess :D It's actually harder to move away from being a GSP clone when it doesn't come to very small, thickly feathered maniraptorans. Probably, the postorbital and lacrimal bosses and the nasal ridge of the subadult tyrant are a dead giveaway.
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theFingers Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011
Gotta love the look of those Gallimimus, but the Tarbosaurus bothers me in that it's a miniature adult anatomically. If you wish to, I'd use the former genus Nanotyrannus as reference, since it is believed to represent a young T-Rex, the closest known relative of Tarbosaurus.
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pilsator Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks a lot! I worked from ZPAL MgD-I/3, a <6 m long Tarbosaurus specimen. You are right that the eye is too small and probably the postorbital too "adult"-looking, but otherwise it should be fine. Though about the size as the two best known Gorgosaurus teenagers, it has a much more adult-like looking skull shape.
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theFingers Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011
Oh, my bad, I thought the juvenile features (such as the longer and more slender snout and legs) persisted longer. Nice job and thanks for the info!
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pilsator Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks for you, readjusted the skull because you actually did have a point ;)
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Tomozaurus Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Student General Artist
Pretty nice. I like how the head and neck of the Gallimimus look.
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Tomozaurus Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Student General Artist
I mean the Galli in the background.
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pilsator Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks, I felt very uncertain doing its head/neck junction.
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Tomozaurus Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Student General Artist
Well it came out nicely so the risk payed off. I'm not sure what's going on around the scapula on the front Galli though, it looks like a perfect sphere of protofeathers to me.
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pilsator Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Corrected.
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Tomozaurus Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Student General Artist
Good to know.
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pilsator Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It's supposed to "swallow" the proximal contour of the upper arm with its very long protofeathers, but you're right, this part is too spherical and doesn't go nicely flush with the scapula. Another thing to sort out.
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nemo-ramjet Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011
This drawing is great - I have the same problem with you in "remaining stuck in the lateral dimension" I've only been able to start breaking it with pieces such as my latest Majungasaurus lineart, etc.
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pilsator Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks so much, Nemo! Your posing Majungasaurus was both very nicely drawn and bringing across the point it was supposed to make, even though it was not that extreme compared to John Conway's "All Yesterday" Long Dong Silver Citipati :D
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yoult Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Professional General Artist
Long Dong Silver Citipati von John Conway? Da muss mir was entgegangen sein, bitte um Aufklärung in Bildform :)
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pilsator Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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